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#1 marke

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:11 PM

Has anyone had any experience with the Keseco Ultra Energy devices claimed to sve around 5% of energy by using super conductor characteristics?

See http://www.ultraenergy.co.nz
http://www.ultraenergy.com.au

Best regads,
Mark.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:16 AM

No, and I hope we never see them here!
From the looks of this, it is even more ridiculous than most of them.

I'm telling you though Mark, we need to shed our last vestiges of human decency to get rich by making some bogus product like this and selling it to the ignorant masses. Seems to be working for these guys! Sure, legitimate engineering types like us laugh at them and fling scorn in their direction on web forums, but they are all the while banking money and setting themselves up for retirement.

I can only imagine (hope?) that maybe they don't sleep well at night. I still do.
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#3 marke

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:41 AM

Hi Jeff

I have commented on their "Griffith University" Independent report and on their claims and they are now clammed right up tight.
They were to drop a unit off today for me to test, (their idea) and they have dropped this on the grounds that I will tamper with the unit!!
I think that they have realised that I will not find anything and will report such. Now, I can report that they are to scared to let me see a product!!

Interesting, not sure if you are aware that our last favourite, Somar fell over last year. They have been bought by another company, but essentially our predictions were totally correct.

I am half expecting the threats to come next!!

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Mark.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:43 PM

Yes, I did hear about Somar, good ridance to bad rubbish. But there are still people selling them here and in canada, probably the poor souls who invested their life's savings into a distributorship deal.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:22 PM

:D Caveat Emptor, y'all.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:06 PM

Found one similar today. they are buying web adds on sites geared towards electricians, although it appears they are only doing business out of Malaysia, probably to avoid the scrutiny of our FTC.

http://www.e-cleanenergy.com/saver/

Seemes to be the same basic "technology" as the Keseco unit. I guess you can't beat a good scam...

A little further digging reveals that what they are alluding to is actually a real technology advancement in ELECTRONIC MEMORY SYSTEMS to improve the energy consumption of memory devices, or more imprtantly, improve the density by utilizing electron spin itself as a way of storing digital data. That technology is called "spintronics" and although still under peer review, apparently shows some promise, IN THE COMPUTER MEMORY ARENA. But what these scammers have done, as has been the case so many times before with scams, is to capitalize on unfamiliarity with a new "buzz word" and make false claims about it, figuring that at least for a little while, the confusion will work to their benefit. I noticed in one of Keseco's partner websites, they had what appeared to be a "typo" on the term spintronics, by having a space between spin and tronics. But then I noticed it was consistently the same throughout the website. they must have been caught and told to stop using that term.

Classic...
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:20 PM

Keseco has pasted itself all over Utube complete with melodramatic music.

This comment from http://dansdata.blog...uperconductors/

Comment 12.

A good enginnering friend of mine, who really knows his beans when it comes to this kind of thing, and works for a blue chip company , installed one of these for a trial. It was rebadged as an "ultra eco" unit supplied by a UK company called Blue Carbon.
A completely controlled environment was used for the trial, and energy monitoring was done with both the unit and without the unit installed. This was all done in accordance with the suppliers "recommendations" (who also consulted with the manufacturers) so there was no room for questioning afterwards as to the validity of the results. Proper power monitoring equipment was used and two independent sets of data were taken over a full 24 hour period.
So just to reiterate, an independent test, with no bias or preference as to results outcome, in a totally controlled environment without any significant external influences.
And the result ?...no measurable change in energy consumption. (in fact the consumption went up 0.07% but this was within the tolerance of the equipment).
The suppliers were quizzed, all went quiet and now it seems the company has gone into liquidation.

The local sales people in NZ have no electrical understanding, so hide behind a wall of ignorance.

#8 marke

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 10:35 PM

There is a report proving the performance of this device reportedly written by a proffessor at the Griffith University.
This report shows the results of tests done on an open shaft 5.5KW motor.
Without the device connected, the open shaft current of the motor was 1.5 Amps and the power factor was 0.59

Show me a three phase 415 volt motor that has a magnetising current as low as 1.5A, or an open shaft power factor as high as 0.59 This report does not reflect reality. Typically, a 5.5KW motor will have an open shaft current in the order of 2.5 - 3.5 amps and an open shaft power factor of 0.1 - 0.2

The measured KVA is 0.634 and the measured KW is 0.367.
Someone forgot to include the root 3 factor when calculating these values from the current and voltage, so not only do we have figures that do not look as though they are measured, the calculations do not stack up either!!
KVA = V x I x 1.73 / 1000 and KW = V x I x PF x 1.73 / 1000

I am surprised that a university would put their name to a report like this!!

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:22 PM

OK John Russell Electrician from Minesota. Key Words: diysolarhomes.com , Power4Homes. NOT John Russell in ChCh.
CLAIM: for $200- you can create a grid tied system, including battery and solar cells etc.
As with any good scam its filled with feather weight testimonials. The UTUBE sphere is filled with vids eg
Titled Do You Believe That Power4home Scam?



Each vid oozes vitriole for greedy power co's, and how I saved 75% of my power bill.
Very very hard to find ANY bad reviews:

http://www.ripoffrep...e-big-x7d38.htm

Conclusion: All rubbish. A well oiled scam. Yes you can create a grid tied system ie Enasolar in Christchurch looks good, but for real money!

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:57 PM

More Links for Power4Homes (diysolarhomes.com): (AKA John Russell form Minisota)
This is the first line of the so called review:
"Are you searching for a Power4Home review that thoroughly makes clear what this program is all about?"
The first 6 links either take you back to this same article (self referancing) or the 7 minute rant by John.

http://efficienthome...w-should-i-buy/

Amazing how unsophisticated this scam really is. Thing is its plastered all over the place.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:50 PM

More Links for Power4Homes (diysolarhomes.com): (AKA John Russell form Minisota)
Here is some negative feedback FINALLY.

http://www.ripoffrep...power4home.aspx

http://open4energy.c...ome_solar_panel

http://www.complaint...ta-c252633.html

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:46 AM

Hello everybody.
I just had a visit from Keseco and I'm wondering if somebody really installed -even for test purposes- a system from Keseco.
Any result?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 03:46 AM

Hello Aggelos

There certainly have been units installed and I am advised that the results have been promising.
Personally, I am sceptical about the technology because, as an engineer, I want to see a plausible explanation of how it works and all the explanations that I have seen to date, have been fictional at best with claims aligned to superconductivity etc which are not possible.

Best regards,
Mark.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 05:09 AM

Thanks for the reply Mark.
I am an engineer too and I cannot understand how it really works.
Of course if an energy meter shows savings then somebody has to have a different approach.
I did not perform any test (measurement) yet so I'd like to know if somebody measured an installation and did the comparison

BR
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 06:26 AM

Hi Mark (and the rest of the gang), I'd like to first start off by saying THANKS for all the insightful details on this topic. I too am an engineer so I find this intriguingly funny that such seemingly unrelated and overpowering buzz words are being thrown around (by the manufacturer) and of such lofty claims.

However, with that said, I'd like to take a more practical approach to trying to prove/disprove these guys. Principles aside, has anyone tried it and had a negative or positive result? I was in contact with one of their "referenced" customer (yes, I dialed switch board, then looked for the person at the customer's site by name to avoid dialing someone at Keseco) and they did personally give a positive review - with some caveats (to my surprise).

Like Aggelos, I'm curious to get my hand on this thing and have a real world test (hey, even magic mushroom deserves it's 5 seconds in the sun), with proper controlled equipment and logging devices.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 06:10 AM

The profile of this product does not seem to have been raised, in fact quite the reverse.

If it was as good as suggested, I would expect to have seen more positive reports by now.

Perhaps it will fade away.

 

Best regards,

Mark.



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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

Having seen over 10 test results in various industrial areas (large scale professional companies) with various load types. Regardless of load type (inductive, resistive, variable or constant) the product have shown a zero saving. Two companies were seriously involved in launching the product in Western Europe - both failed. The patent does not guarantee that the product works and the specification itself is very poor.

 

Furthermore, Keseco has been sued for fraud in U.S. by an investment group.



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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:48 AM

Certainly nothing to convince me yet

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 07:59 AM

-Keseco products are very safe products which obtained various certifications from many official reference institutions
http://www.keseco.co...table=menu3_2_e

-you can find various installation practices from below link sites
http://www.mediafire...ck_20150717.pdf


 

-Keseco products are very safe products which obtained various certifications from many official reference institutions
http://www.keseco.co...table=menu3_2_e

-you can find various installation practices from below link sites
http://www.mediafire...ck_20150717.pdf

 


 

-Keseco products are very safe products which obtained various certifications from many official reference institutions
http://www.keseco.co...table=menu3_2_e

-you can find various installation practices from below link sites
http://www.mediafire...ck_20150717.pdf

 



#20 marke

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 12:58 AM

It is interesting that for such a wonderful and valuable invention, the distributors in New Zealand and Australia seem to have vanished.

 

There websites are now baren!!

 

See http://www.ultraenergy.co.nz
http://www.ultraenergy.com.au

 

That may be a clue as to how good the technology is.






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