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Savawatt (uk), Savacontrol - For Real Or Snake Oil?
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kaon
post Jul 8 2008, 04:26 AM
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Hi all,
Has anyone heard of Savawatt? Their website doesn't inspire confidence http://www.savawatt.com/. And parent company: http://www.envisionconcepts.co.uk/
There is a sales guy hounding me about it, but he doesn't seem to know how it works either.

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About SavaWatt (UK)
Establish in 1985, Savawatt (UK) commercialize an improve design from NASA (Frank Nola -USA), to provide commercial customers achieving energy efficient & electrical power saving on motor/compressor loads with their trademark SavaPlug & SavaControl. Thousands of customers with more than a million units installed worldwide incorporate with endorsement from independence institution on the effectiveness.

Together with continuous technical enhancement, SavaLight is the newer generation of product design, target to lower electrical consumption in conventional lighting operating using electromagnetic ballast. They are very effective for florescent tube, high-pressure sodium, halogen etc. to cut down electrical consumption with 30% average.

SavaController – for AC motor, air-conditioning compressor, AHU etc.

Picture on riding a bike - unless you want to go flat out, you pedal a bit, freewheel a bit and you use far less energy than just pedaling gently all the time.

SavaController work on the similar fundamental principal – to supply sufficient power to motor (not excessive) to keep the motor in correct operating torque all the time.

After motor load overcome the inertia momentum, SavaControl analyze the back emf from the motor & adjust the correct power deliver to motor.

Especially on part load situation, When SavaControl manage the voltage & current supplying (reduction) to the motor, the following result obtained:

· Motor eddy-current core losses, proportion to the apply voltage - reduce

· Motor winding losses, proportion to the current square (I2) – reduce.


Now less (wastage) power is going into the motor during operation & efficient improve. Also, less wastage power is now generating in the motor & motor runs cooler & the positive cycles continue to maintain & improve motor efficiency & extending motor life span for mid/long run.

The general energy conservation by SavaControl are 15% (3-phase system) & 20% (1-phase system). However, we do not wish to claim this figure as the saving is also dependence on the loading condition of motor.

Some units that we installed in our customers sites record energy saving up to 30% (40% in some installation in Europe).

As we understand the significant of motor design, to oversize motor rating due to the initial start up current, wear-&-tear frictional, changing of loading condition etc. Thus this design practice do allow SavaControl to enhance the efficiency improvement & achieve energy saving.

SavaLight – for Lighting design with electromagnetic ballast operation – florescent tube, High-pressure Sodium, halogen, Metal halide etc.

The principle behind the SavaLight operation is that once the lights strikes and reaches their operating temperatures, normal utility supply voltage is not required, so it can then be lowered to keep the continuous lighting operation. There is a very marginally reducing light output (generally not noticeable by the human eye and would require a light level meter to determine).

By using this technique of voltage control, savings in excess of 25% can be realistically expected and in many cases the savings are in excess of 30%.

As an added bonus, light fitting with lowering operating temperature can expect an increase in life span ~30% longer.

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Savaplug, SavaControl & SavaLight are the trademark of Savawatt (UK) with product design & manufactured in Savawatt UK factory.

These are devices installed & studied by many independence institution university (Cranfield Institute of Technology states, Staffordshire University [Dr. Sarath B. Tennakoon –Vodafone case study]) on the effectiveness of motor control using SavaController.

I hope the above info not too heavy, yet comprehensive to explain the fundamental operation of SavaControl & SavaLight.

I do not wish to over-claim on the achievement by SavaController & SavaLight. However, in most cases, overall saving for a project installation should allow customers to benefit on electrical energy saving 10%~25%. As the electrical tariff continue to rise, the electrical cost saving will be significantly increase in the mid-long run. Not to forget on the equipment life span extended & result in customers’ maintenance & equipment replacement expense.


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post Jul 8 2008, 11:06 AM
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Hello kaon

Have a look at http://www.LMPhotonics.com/energy.htm for some information on the NASA type energy savers.
I can not comment on the lighting and other products, but the bottom line is that you can only save a portion of the energy that is being wasted.

Have a good day,
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post Jul 8 2008, 08:03 PM
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How many different ways will people keep trying to serve the same pile of {insert your favorite vulgar term for animal waste products}?

I suppose that the answer is, as many as people will continue to think are new and improved.


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post Sep 2 2008, 03:51 AM
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Did any of you guys acutally had the physical experience on the Savawatt units? huh.gif

I do know of live installation with Savawatt in varies applications & aware that the saving varies.
When checking with the motor rating & the actual running power, it does coincide with the operating theory when saving is significant on motor part load & saving reduces when motor running close to full load condition.
Whether it is 1% or 50% saving, ultimately the points is what is the $ of investment & how much (in $) we can saving.
Cause 1% can means $500 saving for high rated motor & 50% can means $10 saving for very small motors. So the % should use as the guide instead. laugh.gif



As for the SavaLight cool.gif - this is not something new as there are many brands in the market using the same operating theory - the commonly used electronics ballast is applying this technology more than 10 years ago - to apply lower input voltage & achieve lower power consumption on lighting.

Is this a high-pressure selling technic? If you are seriously looking into energy saving, perhaps you want to check that out yourselve & determine if this is suitable for you.

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post Sep 2 2008, 10:30 AM
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Hello STARS-5

Welcome to the forum.
Ultimately, if there is enough KWHr saved to generate a payback, then well and good.
Unfortunately, most of the promotional material shows the savings in % and then details the cost of electricity. What they usually do not show, is that the high % is when there is very low KWHr, and a high % of almost nothing is still almost nothing. DO NOT Measure current saving, this is not indicative of KWHr saving.
The only way to be sure is to measure the reduction in actual KWHr and multiply this by the cost of a KWHr. Forget percentages, they mean nothing.

The best return on investment is actually with the small motors, not the large motors. Small single phase motors have the lowest efficency and therefore the best payback.

Best regards,
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post Sep 2 2008, 11:15 AM
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Hi Mark
I fully agree with you.... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
What is the point of talking %... the acutal KWhr saving (from the grid) & the $ saving is the ultimate result we want.

Acutally not quite true base on my experience that small/ single phase motor has good saving over big/ 3-phase motor.
I do see NO good saving for some single phase (< 1 KW load) when it runs on full load.
But seen 3-phase AHU motor (15KW) achieve about 17% saving.
I have not seen any higher rated motor in action, so I cannot determine if they are really effective on much higher rated motor. Maybe you are right that very high rated power motor may not achieve high % saving.
Nevertheless, if I can achieve at least 10% saving on a 15KW motor, this is 1.5KW of saving & 13,000KWhr per year. A pretty good return unless the unit cost a bomb to stretch ROI for many years (then not worth considering). I will be happy rolleyes.gif to see a 2 years ROI when some companies accept up to 3 years. dry.gif

Bottomline - what is the requirement/expectation on individual tht look into energy saving. If we understand our expectation, then it is easy for us to make decision accordingly.
Somebody wants to have energy saving product that save > 50% & ROI within 1~3 months (me too biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif , but almost quite slim chance for such product). Some are equally happy if they can achieve 3~5% & get their ROI within 3 years tongue.gif .

Cheers!
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