Dear All,

It’s been my pleasure in being a part of LMPForum’s member. I was considering for taking the Enigin’s distribution ship. I would like to do a ground study regarding the Products and its technical details before taking up the business. It would be very great, if any experienced / professional members in the energy saving industry can help me out on few things. I have listed my queries accordingly to their classifications and I have to say that, I’m not a technical guy in this field and all your valuable comments would be highly appreciable.

Products:

1.We understand the basic functionality of energy saving products and its benefits, but there is not much information regarding the capacity of area, the individual products (i.e., LESS, IMEC, CUES & ACES) can support and does anyone know, on what basis is the no. of products required for the customers is being calculated / determined.?
2. As a part of Energy Maps program, will the energy consumed starts reducing by 20% immediately upon the installation of Eniscope or is it only after the installation of their corresponding products.
3. Are there any other products in research to save energy?
4. Considering one of the latest products in the electronics industry, i.e., the Air condition, it comes with built-in energy saving system compliant along with energy saving ratings. How true is the technical aspect and implementation of it? Does it really save energy or is it just for popularizing the brand?
5. If such product comes with built-in energy saving solutions, there would be no need for Enigin or other Energy Saving Products. Wouldn’t this be a potential threat in this business?
6. Most of the products come with energy saving ratings, what has this got to do with Enigin’s products?

Working cost:

1. Does anyone know the cost for individual products, as it is not mentioned anywhere?
2. Is the cost of Initial Energy Maps program varies according to their customer’s power bill?
3. There is no listing or reference to any Enigin’s partner details, why should ENIGIN hold its partner profiles in a confidential way?
4. There seems to be no case studies and testimonials available. Does this mean there are no reports for this or is the product in its initial stage of establishment.
5. If the Enigin’s products fail to deliver the results, there seems to be a money back guarantee to its customers. Is the same guaranteed to its partners as well?

Training & Support:

1. In order to do the business, they advertise we do not need to be technical but have to be just good business acumen’s. How does this reflect in the training period? There is a 3 months training session held in the UK after the agreement is signed up.
2. I do not belong to any electronics engineering or technical background. But during their training, do I need to have a technical guy with me. So that he can understand the technical aspects of the products. Does anyone know how the training is conducted?
3. Once the training is completed, they promise to support and work with us closely during the initial stage of setting up and operating the business. How supportive is that?
4. Initially, they allocate only one distributor per territory. Is it really true? What is they appoint more than one?

General:

1. Why does Enigin do not have these kind of certifications / accreditations: ISO 9001, ISO 14001, ESTA, International Trade Enterprise Awards, and Business Awards etc.
2. There is similar energy saving products in the market, does anyone know, what makes Enigin unique in the energy saving field and its competitors? Before that, is the product unique?
3. Why there is no listing of customer profiles / testimonials / reviews in their website? There seems to be no listing of phone numbers other than the enquiry forms.
4. I would like to know, how credible the Enigin product and its business are, and do their products really achieve the results effective…?


It would be a great help, if any members or Enigin partners can recommend the business.

Thank you.

Hello Ramceo

Welcome to the forum.
Unfortunately, we are not really able to help you in your appraisal.
Many of the questions need to be answered by Enigin and you probably need to employ a technically competent consultant or engineer to do the investigation for you.

Products
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2. My understanding is that the Eniscope is a means to determine where energy is being used and how much so that you then can target areas that energy could be saved. It provides you with a means to test and measure, so, no, I would not expect any energy savings immediately. You need to develop a strategy based on the readings made and then install appropriate equipment and/or procedures to achieve savings.
3. There are a number of products and procedures that correctly installed can improve efficiency. The trick is to know what to use where, and part of that is to determine what is being used and where.
4. Much energy can be wasted by equipment running at full speed when only a low output is required. By slowing the equipment down, energy can (but not always) be saved.
5. Energy saving technologies and techniques are not new and there are many variable speed drives that have been installed for energy saving in variable flow pumping installations. The technology is not new.
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Other questions are best answered by Enigin.

Best regards,

Hi,

Enigin has a director listed (Ian Wrigley) who is one of the owners of Somar who are succesful in selling distributorships to people of energy saving motor controllers.
Take a look on this forum for posts about Somar & Powerboss.

I am always very sceptical about companies such as enigin.

As a matter of interest, how much do they charge you to be a distributor?

Hi members,

Thank you for the valuable information’s about Enigin and Eniscope. It was a good kick start for me to get to know about them. I did check the earlier posts about somar & power boss. The contents and the information provided by both Somar and Enigin are more or less the same. I found many accreditations somar has published in its website that Enigin has not. The initial investment for a license fee is 12,600 Pounds on a deferred payment basis and 21,000 pounds for a full upfront investment. I’m planning to submit my Heads of Agreement to Enigin. But not sure, whether the details they provide me would be satisfactory. Your kind suggestions and help regarding Enigin would be great help to us.

Regards, Ram

Hopefully you have noticed the several threads and posts specific to Enigin as well.


As I posted some time ago, the "accreditations" cited by Somar are nothing special. They are not related to the efficacy of their product, only that it is patented (they paid the lawyers), it will not start a fire (they paid the testing agencies), and the Queen is somehow proud that Somar is exporting goods from Britain (they paid their taxes). None of those things show any particularly spectacular accomplishment that cannot also be claimed by someone making light bulbs or children's toys.



Wow, I had no idea it was so much money. For what? What could they give you that could possibly be worth that much money? It had better be a LOT of inventory and it had better be in things that are easy to sell. To justify that much of a financial investment, a rule-of-thumb is that your sales must be 4x that amount per year. Were I you, I would investigate your marketplace to see how you would sustain that kind of volume before embarking on something requiring such a large investment. Many of the established product manufacturers who already sell into that marketplace do not require such a large investment. If you are an Electrical Engineer, you should already be capable of what the "Eniscope" supposedly does, but you may not own a suitable recording meter system, But I can buy a very very good one here in the US for about $3,000, or roughly 1500 Pounds. That is a far cry from $42,000! If you are not an Electrical Engineer, is the Enigin program going to get you there? Or is it primarily a marketing program? If the latter, what are you going to do when challenged on Electrical Engineering issues?



I suggest getting a very detailed description of exactly what you are going to get for your money, plus a very clear idea as to how you can recoup your investment AND a very clear statement from them as to how much you can return or get back if it doesn't work out. Nobody should enter in to a business involving such a substantial investment without a crystal clear road map.

OH MY GOD!, 12,600 pounds

Look at their website, it is full of half empty promises offering nothing but save up to 50% of your energy costs (50% of what????)!!!!!, they dont tell you that you can do this yourself without their help for a lot les than 13grand!

There should be laws against these kind of people who rob folks of their life savings.

There is no clear directory of distributors (just like powerboss & somar) they dont want to lose the lucrative money they get from selling distributor packages to anyone.

I think this lot look suspicious. I wouldnt invest any money with them.

Dear Ramceo,
I am very new to this forum. The topic of Enigin caught my attention as I am in the process of researching a potential distributorship as well.

Your post was from April of 2008 and I wanted to know how things turned out for you with regards to Enigin. Did you get all of these questions answered and did you move forward with Enigin?

Thanks!
Irish

I am a newcomer - my first post.
I attended a day-long Seminar with Enigin in London last year, and when I left I had only a vague idea of the whole package. I felt that there was some missing link and I realized that I had to pay out a lot of money to give me a veneer of an Energy Consultant to approach customers. I would have very little training and I was supposed to give solutions to all their energy problems throughout the whole premises.
I read in another post that to save energy, you need to change a process, such as put in new equipment to get the job done faster (less energy), or at a more efficient rate of energy usage.
New motors are now much more efficient than the older models.
There is only one safe, non-polluting efficient type of lighting, and that is LED.
It is being developed constantly and is the lighting of the future.
If anybody needs more information, or are looking at becoming a distributor of cost-saving solutions, please contact me through this forum, or at kerryabu@gmail.com

Hi Everyone,

Like many of you I am still trying to figure out the validity of Enigin company, it is very difficult to find any information of who they really are and also they have no record per se to check on the effectiveness of their products isn't it?
Is there any one who became a "franchisee" for them who could tell us more about his/her experience so far with this company??
Look forward to hear from anyone with comments.
Thanks

Gabriel