# Oversized Motors

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I often see statements from "reputible" sources suggesting that the use of oversized motors causes energy to be wasted.

In many cases, this is not true, infact there can be an advantage in using an oversized motor.

For example, from a manufacturers data sheet (attached) I see the following:

11KW motor.

15KW motor

22KW motor

So, if I have an 11KW load, I would be most efficient to use the 22KW motor at half load, followed by the 15KW motor at three quarter load and least efficient to use the 11KW motor at full load.

The oversized motors would run cooler, and therefore would last longer as well. The disadvantages of using an oversized motor would be that the start current will be higher and the capital cost is also higher.

I find the same if I compare the 30, 45 and 55KW motors, and others as well.

As I see it, the use of an oversized motor does not waste energy, it actually can save energy!!

Best regards,

4_pole_motors.pdf

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I would tend to agree with most of that, however expect that you're comment regarding starting current would apply to DOL starting only. The amount of torque required to start the load would be the same irrespective of motor size, therefore it should be possible to start at the same level of current (actual amps) via for example a soft starter that allowed for start current adjustment in 1% FLC increments, in other words upper end soft starter products.

Regards,

GGOSS

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Now theres a trap!!

If we have a 11KW load and we need to have 50% start torque, then with the 11kw motor, we would have a start current Is to develp that torque.

If now we double the size of the motor, then the start torque relative to the motor is now 25%. The rated current is double the 11KW, but torque is proportional to current squared. If we had the same start current (Amps) then it would a lower start torque per amp and so we would have less start torque.

With the larger motor (twice the size, we will need a start current that is 41% higher than the 11KW motor (start current = rt2 times the start current)

Best regards,

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You're absolutely correct. Don't know what I was thinking.

Maybe it's time to open that Fish 'n' Chip shop.

Regards,

GGOSS

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Dear marke,

you wrote some interesting considerations. But these considerations are related to standard motors with standard efficiency.

If you compare a standard efficiency motor with an high-efficiency motors (for example, Class Eff1 or Eff1+), you will see better results. In other words, if the motor is not so stressed by heat due to low quantity of copper used, and induction on magnet steel is normal and not too high, motor efficiency will be better. You can find the same conditions in a bigger motor at 50% of load.

Please note that using a bigger motor the power factor will decrease, and you will be obliged to make a compensation.

Furthermore, for frequently started motors, the higher inertia will be a further cost in energy for acceleration.

Regards

Mario

Mario Maggi - Italy - http://www.evlist.it - https://www.axu.it

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• 3 years later...

I agree with Mr.Mario, it is true that we must comparing the efficiency of oversized motor with energy-efficient motor at operating load. therefore we can obtain the energy saving. Considering motor is just not only about efficiency but the value of power factor which is decreasing sharply at use less than 50% of load. The graphic on the site below may be can help us more understand:

Regard's

Waisak

Student of Food and Technology Department

Bogor Agricultural University

Indonesia

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• 11 years later...

Hi All,

In the case of grossly oversized delta connected induction motor, would wiring the motor in star save energy? In star , the shaft power available would be reduced by 3. Let's take a simple example, a 30 k W delta connected installed motor consumes 8 k W. Would rewiring the motor to star save energy, obviously assuming that the starting torque in star would suffice to start the load? Is it an issue to wire delta designed motor to star?

Thanks

Bob

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Hi Bob

The question that I first look at, is how much energy is being wasted by the motor being oversized?

Typically, the only recoverable energy that is being wasted, is the iron loss and that is small relative to the KW rating of the motor. Take for example, a modern motor with a full load efficiency of say 93%. I would expect that the iron loss probably amounts to around 40% to 60% of the total losses, so with total losses of 7% of the motor rating, we could expect that the iron loss is in the order of 3% - 4% of the motor KW rating. - very small.

Reducing the voltage, will reduce the iron loss, but it will also reduce the flux in the iron, so will increase the slip loss. As the voltage applied to the motor is reduced, the work component of the current will increase, increasing the copper loss which may result in a net increase in losses. If the load is small enough, the increase in copper loss will be less than the reduction in iron loss yielding a net energy reduction.  - This is the principle that the NASA (Nola) energy saving algorithm works on, and also the "energy optimiser" function in many VFDs.

Very small motors have a high iron loss and tend to be overfluxed, so can achieve good savings.

Reconnecting a delta induction motor in star, is effectively reducing the voltage to root 3 so effectively dropping from 400V to 230V in a 50 Hz world.

Effectively, the motor KW rating reduces to one third by connecting the delta designed motor in star, so provided that the KW load is less than one third of the rating of the motor, it is OK to connect it in star. Any higher load will cause the rotor to overheat.

Best regards,

Mark

Thanks Mark.

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