Superconductor In Energy Saving

[lotus]

Hello, I came across this forum while researching Energy saving units and was impressed with the quality of the replies, I’ve been in contact with a company that have developed a unit that they claim can reduce KWH without changing power factor or reducing voltage, this is part of an Email I received from them.

 

The chemical box consists of raw material which is elements performing superconduction phenomenon.

In fact, the superconductor can be happen at 0K (-273’c).

Many scientists and researchers tried hard to make superconductor can be happen at normal temperature (300K=27’c). But all failed.

For them, to make it happen at normal temperature is dream.

It is still being researched for many scientists.

But our president, Mr.Kim invented unit which can perform in normal temperature. In superconductor, there is no resistance.

Accordingly, it returns heat energy (inactive energy) loss by resistance to active energy.

If you input 220V and 10A, time pass by current will be increase about 12A because of heat energy increase by resistance.

So you have no choice but to input 220V, 12A.

But by installing our unit, it keeps current stable not to increase.

P(w)=V*I*Cos θ(power factor)

According to decrease the current (I), accordingly Kwh(P) also decreases.

In any countries, Kwh (accumulated value on power=kwh meter) is criteria for electricity bill by power company.

We say KW is instant value and KWH is accumulated value.

Long time ago, there were many manufacturers dealing with V or Cos θ

For reducing Voltage, voltage dropping power saver was invented.

But they after all failed because dropping voltage affect harmful damage to machinery finally it reduces product time of machinery.

At second, Capacitor type power saver which applied Power factor was invented

It can increase power factor. Increasing power factor means customer use electricity effectively.

But according to increasing power factor, KWh also increase.

It means it never effect power saving.

Most important thing for power saving is to reduce KWh.

 

This unit is connected across the three phases and neutral of the main isolator.

We have a Supermarket where most of their load consists of refrigerators and coolers, their monthly bills are very regular and would make an ideal location to test such a unit. They have ct metering which displays KWH. We are now at the point where we need to order a unit to test, these units are not cheap and we would welcome your input before we make the next step.

Regards, John m.

 

[mariomaggi]

Dear lotus / John M,

over 10 years ago I introduced to STMicroelectronics in Agrate (Italy) the idea to buy superconductors.

I was seen like a martian.

Two years later, the superconducting station was installed. This in the article from one italian magazine: HERE

 

I wrote these premises to exaplin to you that I'm fully convinced of benefits of superconductivity.

 

But you have to pay a big attention to companies that want to sell you a box full of sand with 3 wires, or something like this.

 

The description the you mentioned are only words, not enough complete to understand the matter.

 

Kindest regards

Mario

 

[lotus]

Dear lotus / John M,

over 10 years ago I introduced to STMicroelectronics in Agrate (Italy) the idea to buy superconductors.

I was seen like a martian.

Two years later, the superconducting station was installed. This in the article from one italian magazine: HERE

 

I wrote these premises to exaplin to you that I'm fully convinced of benefits of superconductivity.

 

But you have to pay a big attention to companies that want to sell you a box full of sand with 3 wires, or something like this.

 

The description the you mentioned are only words, not enough complete to understand the matter.

 

Kindest regards

Mario

 

[lotus]

Thanks for replying Mario, we ordered three units to evaluate which we recieved last Monday a 5kw single phase, 10kw single phase, and a 20kw three phase. We decided this afternoon to open the 5kw unit, on prising off the cover we were greeted with what looked like potting compound (though it had a strange smell) we decided to apply heat to melt the compound using a heat gun, but found it didnt melt but it did weaken and allowed us to break it out in lumps, basically the live and neutral are lugged to two copper bars parallel to each other with a gap of about 5mm between them, they are mounted on two isolators to isolate them from the metal case and then the case is filled with this compound which surmerges them. Is it possible current flowes between the copper bars through the compound causing some chemical reaction? If this is a complete scam why have they gone to the trouble to mount the copper bars etc. why not bury the two ends of the cable in resin? If some guy has made a breaktrue in superconductors would he have not found a better application than some black box that he tries to flog this technoligy in. I await your reply, John.

[marke]

Hello John

 

Sounds very much like you have a new epoxy made of snake oil.

 

If you connect a "box" in parallel with the supply, it is not going to influence the losses in the supply unless it is able to reduce the current in the supply. This can be achieved by the use of power factor correction where there is a reactive current flowing, but this is claimed not to influence the power factor.

 

If you connect a "box" in parallel with the supply, it is not going to influence the losses in the load unless it is able to reduce the current in the load. This can be achieved by reducing the voltage applied to the load, but you must have your box in series with the load in order to achieve this. Additionally, reducing the voltage will typically reduce the the work output of your load, so it does not necessarily improve the efficiency.

 

If you change the voltage and frequency applied to a motor, you will reduce the energy consumed by the machine. If there is a lot of slip in the machine, then you can improve the efficiency. This again requires series connection with the motor.

 

Looking at the average installation, there are losses in the cables due to i2R. This can only be reduced by reducing the current, or reducing the resistance. The resistance can be reduced by increasing the size of the cables or changing them to a lower resistance (i.e. superconducting)

In the load, there will be losses within the cables wires etc due to resistance. If the resistances can be reduced, then the losses will be reduced. This requires larger cables or superconducting cables. - machine rebuild.

 

The way that I read the information, the proposal is very much like some form of perpetual motion generator that is generating electricity by negative losses due to the super conductivity.

 

Sorry, but I think that you may well have been had!!

 

Best regards,

[mariomaggi]

John,

I've nothing to add to my previous message.

 

If you input 220V and 10A, time pass by current will be increase about 12A because of heat energy increase by resistance.

So you have no choice but to input 220V, 12A.

 

Regards

Mario

 

[jraef]

I would dearly love to see who the manufacturer is of this wonderful device. I would like to go into business with them, they seem to be a very good company.

[jsmith]

a note to add to this.

 

recently ive been doing alot of reading into superconductivity (mainly looking at the developments of Podkletnov's published work on gravity shielding [published in a Russian journal]), and from the information i have come across room temperature superconductors do not exist with current technology. the best that has been found is a material that superconducts at approx 140K (maybe up to 160K).

 

so if something pops up making that claim id be very wary about putting any money into it