ip9999 Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 induction generators used in wind machines only generate after the rated RPM is reached and exceeded. My question has to do with the SLIP zone of maybe 15-20 rpm after that. The generator can maintain 60 hz even if the rpm varies in this zone. What I am trying to understand is the limits on this when forces like the wind push against this. How much is too much for slip to maintain a control on the hz..?? 15-20 rpm seems like an awfully small window to try to control in huge machines like wind turbines and unpredictable push sources like the wind..??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marke Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Hello ip9999 Welcome to the forum. If you overspeed an induction motor, it becomes an induction generator and generates power back into the supply. As you increase the torque driving the motor, the slip increases such that the motor is spinning faster than synchronous speed. The motor exhibits the same slip torque curve while gnerating as it does while "motoring". As the torque is increased, the slip increases until the maximum torque is driven into the motor. If the torque is increased further, the motor will break away and accelerate well beyond synchronous speed. The maximum torque will typically be in the order of 250% rated torque. This will occur at the same slip as the maximum motor torque but will be an overspeed condition. Best regards, Mark. Mark Empson | administratorSkype Contact = markempson | phone +64 274 363 067LMPForum | Power Factor | L M Photonics Ltd | Empson family | Advanced Motor Control Ltd | Pressure Transducers | Smart Relay | GSM Control | Mark Empson Website | AuCom | Soft Starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ip9999 Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Hello ip9999 Welcome to the forum. If you overspeed an induction motor, it becomes an induction generator and generates power back into the supply. As you increase the torque driving the motor, the slip increases such that the motor is spinning faster than synchronous speed. The motor exhibits the same slip torque curve while gnerating as it does while "motoring". As the torque is increased, the slip increases until the maximum torque is driven into the motor. If the torque is increased further, the motor will break away and accelerate well beyond synchronous speed. The maximum torque will typically be in the order of 250% rated torque. This will occur at the same slip as the maximum motor torque but will be an overspeed condition. Best regards, Mark. so your saying in that 250 % of wind force ,the blades will hold back the extra force and slip will continue to keep 60 cycle..in otherwords slip makes adjustments to make that happen until the force is too much and the generator overspeeds and probably triggers a brake..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marke Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Yes that is correct. Best regards, Mark. Mark Empson | administratorSkype Contact = markempson | phone +64 274 363 067LMPForum | Power Factor | L M Photonics Ltd | Empson family | Advanced Motor Control Ltd | Pressure Transducers | Smart Relay | GSM Control | Mark Empson Website | AuCom | Soft Starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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